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100606 :Tactical Safety: Was Old-School Unsafe or Just Poorly Dressed?
Wearing your full personal protective equipment is very important in the fire service as well as making sure you have all the necessary tools ready for use when on a call. Make sure you take the time to watch the hell and back videos and you will truly see why full personal protective equipment is required..
Marshall Boykin
Firefighter-Trainee
Gulf Breeze Fire Department #33
Gulf Breeze FloridaSun Jun 06, 09:08:52 PM CDT
Exactly, we should wear all our PPE but act like we have rubber coats and 3/4 boots. I think modern gear has given us a false since of security and we take risky chances because of it. We enter poorly or even unvented structures because our gear allows it. Maybe we should ask ourselves "could I enter this structure wearing 'old school' gear?" If the answer is no, then maybe we should change our tactics.Sun Jun 06, 09:38:29 PM CDT
Good article, Ray. I started with roll up boots, a plastic bucket, and redball gloves - no SCBA. We didn't get into too much trouble because we didn't get in as deep and fought a lot of fires from the outside. Today's gear allows us the luxury of getting in deeper and allows us to get into deeper trouble if you don't pay attention. There is no substitute for knowledge of fire behavior and building construction! Gear does not make us safer unless you have those basics.Mon Jun 07, 08:51:02 AM CDT
This is a very thought provoking article looking at both sides of an important issue. It certainly covers this from a multi-generational standpoint and I look forward to reading the comments put forth by the members whose safety and well being have been impacted by the presence or absence of modern PPE.Mon Jun 07, 07:44:30 PM CDT
I will start with I am not advocating returning to any era of previous PPE ensemble, just bringing out some observations. I have crawled down a hallway in knee length coat and pull-up boots. I remember crawling up into the coat or getting my groin hotter than I cared to, but in retrospect that same ensemble allowed a firefighter to cool down quicker and to move more nimbly than the gear we are utilizing today.
I believe the biggest problem with modern turnout gear and its effects on our personnel is more closely related to the lack of knowledge and understanding that the bulk of our firefighters posses today of fire behavior. The fire service as a whole has not adequately prepared our firefighters to operate inside a modern structure fire. I will say my knowledge was not gained through class work or fireground experience as much as it was learned participating as an instructor over the years in live fire training. When I was able to watch a fire develope from start to finish over and over I began to make connections and a better understanding of fire development and avenues of travel. I also learned how the fire reacted to various changes in ventilation or suppression. This has served me well over the years when being in a fire where the fire was not visible but having a decent idea of what the fire was doing based on those past observations. It is the live fire training where the best understanding comes from. The problem with the actual fireground is that we always have the end result and it is like taking a test without ever really learning about the subject. The majority of firefighter out there are not going to enough work to even benefit from that. Most fire departments are too focused on EMS, Haz-Mat, Tech Rescue and fire prevention...not that these are bad things, not at all, but they take away from the one arena that is killing us.
Modern turnouts allow our lesser experienced personnel to go deeper into a fire building than they should because they are totally encapsulated. Modern PPE has higher TPP values than anything in the past and new designs protect the once vulnerable areas of the body that would act as an indicator that things were getting a little too dangerous. The firefighter many times doesn't realize it is to that point until it is too late. Additionally, the new designs create a higher level of stress in the body because they hold in the heat that our bodies are trying to get rid of. We can talk THL but even the best values are not sufficient. There are studies out there...and take stats with a grain of salt...but I have heard values of in excess of 1L of fluid loss and temps inside the gear as high as 130' F. In those conditions imbalances and temps are causing dehydration and heat exhaustion which will progress into heat stroke and this is in a fairly healthy individual. Additionally, mentation will begin to alter and they will start making poor decisions. Stay safeWed Jun 09, 02:17:22 PM CDT
I worked using both gear. The old school 3/4 boots and turnout coat, and the newer bunker gear. The newer bunker gear is much harder to move around in and in hot humid weather heat exhaustion is a big concern.
I spent about 15 yearsusing each type of gear. If given the choice, I would have much rather stayed with the older gear.Fri Jun 11, 08:00:40 PM CDT